Projector Wisdom: Embracing the Third Line Business Phase Through Human Design Insights

Welcome back to The Pulse on Human Design. If this is your first time with us, welcome! Today, I have a special guest, Kathy Bochonko, who has been with Bodygraph.com since almost the very beginning. Kathy is a 6/2 Emotional Projector, and we’re diving into all things Human Design and business. Join us as we explore the importance of embracing mistakes, the never-ending third line phase, and the power of radical self-trust.

Key Topics Covered:

Introduction:

  • The concept of the third line phase in business and how it applies to all Human Design types.
  • Embracing mistakes as opportunities for learning and growth.

Guest Introduction:

  • Kathy Bochonko’s background and Human Design chart.
  • Discussion of Kathy’s defined centers and how they influence her business.

The Projector Experience in Business:

  • Kathy shares her journey of realizing that just because she can, doesn’t mean she should.
  • The importance of cycles of rest and creating efficient systems.
  • Learning to say no to certain invitations.

Career Background:

  • Kathy’s experience in retail fashion, particularly with Lucky Brand Jeans.
  • Her nickname as the “Denim Diva” and how she helped women find the right fit.
  • Drawing parallels between finding the right jeans and finding the right fit in Human Design.

Biggest Mistakes and Lessons Learned:

  • The value of the third line phase and learning from what doesn’t work.
  • The challenge of not trusting oneself and listening too much to others’ opinions.
  • Kathy’s mantra of “radical self-trust” and how it has transformed her approach to business.

Radical Self-Trust:

  • The importance of knowing and trusting oneself in all aspects of life and business.
  • Viewing mistakes and problems as opportunities for growth and learning.

Kathy encourages every Human Design practitioner to get a system in place for more freedom in your business.

Check out Bodygraph.com for tools and resources to help you on your journey.

Outro:

Remember, every business is always in a third line phase, constantly learning and evolving. Embrace your mistakes, trust yourself, and enjoy the journey. Join our community to continue the conversation and support each other in our business growth.

Links and Resources:

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